January 3 at 5:37 PM ·

Some Christians have been brainwashed into believing God is trying to get as many as He can into heaven and Satan is trying to get as many as he can into hell.

So they've been taught that God gave man a free will to accept Him or reject Him.

So God, being all knowing, created a place of eternal torment in fire and knew in advance, before these billions and billions of people were even born, that they would reject Him. But He created this place of eternal hell fire and damnation anyway just for those who He knew were going to reject Him.

We have to come to the conclusion that, God, being the gentleman that He is, would NEVER violate man's free will by working overtime to save anyone against their free will.

But He created Satan who works overtime to violate man's free will so he can get as many as he can into hell.

Before God even created Satan, he knew Satan would do this but He created him anyway. Man's puny free will is obviously no match for the wiles of Satan. But God created man with a weak will and Satan with an incredible will to trump man's will knowing in advance that this matchup would send billions and billions to hell fire and damnation for eternity.

I guess God's will is no match for Satan's. But God created Satan to have a will greater than His and He created man with a will that can trump His will but not Satan's.

So Satan gets his billions but God gets a few of the lucky ones who, fortunate for God and for them, they made all the right decisions and did all the right things to earn their way into heaven. No wonder they are so proud of their achievement.

So for all eternity Satan will be a shining example of what one can do if they just put their evil mind to it and it will for all eternity be a horrible example of God being weaker than Satan.

We must come to the conclusion that Christ's death on the cross, His entombment and resurrection from the dead did nothing for mankind. All it did was give man an opportunity to save themselves. God wills to save all mankind but, poor God, He created man with a free will and created Satan with a will greater than theirs. But God is going to give Christ a name above all names even in the face of such disastrous results.

I guess some are okay with this.

The real God of the Bible though says He "will save all humans because Christ ransomed all" according to 1 Timothy 2:4-6. What God/god do you worship?

Tony Nungesser

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God's will will be done.


It was God’s good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross. Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.


The idea of free will puts man in control but the message of the gospel puts God in control.

God is in control, according to the scriptures.

Salvation is not about man’s decision.

Salvation is all about God’s decision.

God determined, and God brought it about. Salvation is a done deal for all people for whom Jesus died.

People are temporarily separated, estranged, experiencing judgment and God’s correction during the ages.

In the fullness of the times, at the conclusion of the ages, all will be restored to the Father.

God is not against us. God is for us.

God does not hate us. God loves us.

God heals us by killing that which destroys us.


God stepped into our unholiness through His Son so that we could become holy.

God sent His Son to destroy the curse of sin and death which plagued us and which we inherited from Adam.

We came into this world born to become sinners. Now we will all become righteousness because of what Jesus Christ did.

The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a preview of what all of humanity will experience.

For as in Adam all die, in Christ, all will be made alive.

God not only reconciles mankind to Himself. He reconciles the cosmos to Himself through the blood of the cross.

The cross was not a tragedy as some want to claim. The cross was the greatest victory.

The cross is not just powerful. The cross is unstoppable.

Ref: What Really Happened when Christ Died?  Scott Hicko 



God is the captain of the ship of the universe; all His creatures are its passengers. He is guiding the vessel across the ocean of time from the port that is called "All in God" to the haven that is termed "God in all."

The passengers have wills of their own, but only as much freedom of choice as their Captain permits, which, in the absolute sense, is no freedom at all, since at all times he remains in full command. He may allow them to wander seemingly unhindered about the ship, but even so there are parts of the vessel where they are not allowed to go, and many things which they are not allowed to do. And all the time they are being carried along inevitably wherever the ship takes them--that is, wherever the Captain directs. When the ship goes wherever they want to go, they feel free, but the moment that it starts to move toward a place where they do not want to go, they know immediately that they are not free at all. But, since they are on the ship, they are under the absolute control of the Captain.

And so it is with creation. It had no choice even as to which ship it should join, or whereabouts on the ship it would find itself, nor has it any say in the direction the ship is taking. For much of its journey it is allowed to think that it is working out its own destiny, but sooner or later it is brought inexorably to the conclusion that God is in control and "is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will.".. J. Essex